Micro Z series amplifier?

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csuflyboy

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Hello-
I'm anxiously awaiting my MP Z series 170 and tweeter. I've seen Genesis amplifiers are the favorite with them, but was looking for other options. I was thinking:
Sinfoni
Steg
Arc Audio

Please let me know your thoughts - especially on Steg since they're not well known in the USA.

Regards,
Matt
 
hello matt

i think there are good reasons why micro-precision users love the genesis amplifiers .. a user in this forum called "hirsch" first used steg msk3000 -->> next was genesis dmx (dual mono extreme) -->> and now genesis dmx class a .. the big msk3000 didn't have a real chance to win ..

the steg msk3000 is a really good amplifier .. i think the biggest of steg .. it sounds well .. it plays very fast and with much power .. but the big genesis are faster and with better mids and highs ..

i am using mp serie Z since many years .. i tested some amplifiers .. the best results are genesis dmx class a and genesis mono-block (NOT mini-block) .. between dmx / dmx class a or mono-block and the other amplifiers of genesis is a big step ..

best regards
frieder
 
I'm also looking for a source unit...Clarion's DRZ-9255, Pioneer DEX-P9 and DEQ-P9, Alpine's 9860 and H700, ________ ? I'm leaning towards the Clarion because it will integrate with my Audi S4's dash the best of any of them, has all the features I'm looking for, but feel it's more limited as far as tuning compared to either ther P-9 combo or H700. I guess the question is "how much tuning do the Z series require?"

We recently did a "high end source unit shootout" here in the states, and I'd be happy to share the results with you guys. The Pioneer wasn't included, but the Denon DCT-Z1, Clarion DRZ-9255, Panasonic tube double din, McIntosh MX4000, and MX5000, Grundig, Nakamichi CD700ii, and some external DACs.

Cheers,
Matt
 
csuflyboy schrieb:
I'm also looking for a source unit...Clarion's DRZ-9255, Pioneer DEX-P9 and DEQ-P9, Alpine's 9860 and H700, ________ ? I'm leaning towards the Clarion because it will integrate with my Audi S4's dash the best of any of them, has all the features I'm looking for, but feel it's more limited as far as tuning compared to either ther P-9 combo or H700. I guess the question is "how much tuning do the Z series require?"

We recently did a "high end source unit shootout" here in the states, and I'd be happy to share the results with you guys. The Pioneer wasn't included, but the Denon DCT-Z1, Clarion DRZ-9255, Panasonic tube double din, McIntosh MX4000, and MX5000, Grundig, Nakamichi CD700ii, and some external DACs.

Cheers,
Matt
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Matt,
You surely won't make a mistake with the Clarion. Do you really need an external processor? If you go for stereo, than the other gimmicks like 5.1 (PXA 700) are not required. The Clarion has all you need.

With regards to the Audi, you might contact "Hirsch" again, who drives an A4 Avant.

Which Grundig unit did you chose for your comparison?
 
Hi Matt,

Something about Micro Precison and Genesis.
Like mister Frieder, I have the Micro Precision 7.16 6" midwoofers. I know, this are not MP series Z, but although I will write down my experience with MP and Genesis amplifieres.

I tested some amplifiers on the 7.16 speaker. First of all I tested a Genesis Stereo 100, but this amp didn't work great on this kind of speakers...
So I tested with an Audison VRx 2.400... It sounds better than the Stero 100 but it was not good enough.
Now I tested the legendary Autotek Mean Machine 333 on the MP 7.16 and this amp woked good.
The bass was "kicking" and the mid range was satisfactory.

Finally I tested the DMX (Genesis Dual Mono Extreme) on the MP 7.16. It was the best amplifier I tested on this speakers. Fantastic bass and clear, warm and detailed mid-range...

Please try out a Genesis Amp on MP Series Z.
In this forum ia a user called "hirsch", he sells his Genesis Dual Mono Extreme in really perfect conditions... :-)
 
Hi Matt,

reagarding the Head(source) Unit, in my opinion the 9860 + PXAH (had this combo in my car) can't compete with the clarion or the P9.

Regarding the Amps. The Genesis Amps are really great amps but imho especially the Sinfoni and the ArcAudio might compete with them. I've not yet heard a Sinfoni or ArcAudio with the SeriesZ Speakers but I heard them on other Speakers and they did their Job really good.

In the end I think you have to compare the Amps in your car. They are alle great amps and it depends on your personal taste which amp you prefer.

And please give the Speakers a really good mounting (regarding solidity and aerodynamics), they need it to do a REALLY great job.


greets
jan

Sorry for my bad english ;).
 
head unit:

i have the units:

- pioneer ODR (older model)
- clarion hx-d2 (imho better version of drz-9255)
- nakamichi cd700

if you need equalizing and time aligment the pioneer is the best unit ..

without EQ and TA the clarion is very good and the naka also is a great unit ..

the pioneer ODR is much more better than the P9 .. i never own a P9 but i heard this unit in many cars ..

the naka has some problems with heat .. the unit becomes very hot if it runs some hours ..

do you need EQ and / or TA or not?





bye frieder
 
Thank you all for your help. Here's the "results" from our High End Headunit Shootout we did about a month ago:

RESULTS ARE IN!

Today we set up a "reference" system consisting of an Arcam Full Metal Jacket CD player, a Pathos Classic One amplifier (hybrid tube) and Infinity Kappa 600 speakers. The RCA's were the Stealth Audio "Nanofibers", the speaker wire were IXOS Ixotica.

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Listeners:

Me
CSUFLYBOY "Matt"
QMOTOX "Quinton"

We listened to Alanis Morrisette's "You ought to know" from her unplugged album, and Dire Straits "You're latest trick". Both recordings are excellent, and provide several sonic cues that we were listening for.

These are our observations after listening to the refence setup:

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The H/Us that made it in the showdown:
Denon DCT-Z1:
The soundstage instantly became 2-D - the depth was gone.
With was expanded compared to the FMJ
Strings were sharper and more defined, but not fatiguing
The low end was not as full as the FMJ, and lacks energy.

McIntosh MX5000:
Great bottom end, with "space" around the kickdrum and bass guitar.
Vocals are forward
Image is perfect
Not as 3-D as the FMJ, but better than the Z-1

McIntosh MX4000:
Vocals are almost as good as the FMJ!
Center cohesion is BETTER than the FMJ!
Bass is just as good as the MX5000
Overall - slightly better than the MX5000

Nakamichi CD700ii:
Nice low end
No "shimmer"/"sparkle" on the top end seemed to roll of quite a bit
Good vocals and center image
No depth, much like the Z-1
Drums sound flat, and not defined and full like the MX's
Very sweet, mellow, and warm sounding

Clarion DRZ-9255:
Top end is clear and neutral
Well balanced
Center image is very good
Nothing stands out as "wrong"
Depth is comparable to the MXs
Lacks low end definition to the MXs, but better than Z-1
Overall a very sweet, neutral sounding H/U.

Panasonic TX-5500W
Top end is SWEET!
Not as shallow as the Z-1, but not deep like the MXs; like the DRZ-9255
VERY Clear and transparent!!
Rich midbass/midrange like MXs, but added spakle of Z-1
Great low end definition/clarity

Grundig:
"Cold" - lacks richness
Sharpest upper end
"Sterile"
Focus and image very well
Fatigues ears quickly
Uninvolving

Eclipse ECD-510:
Best low end extension of all H/Us
Vocals are very good
Staging was on par w/ 9255
Another very good h/u and very easy to listen to

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We all could agree that the McIntosh pieces were the best sounding H/Us with the mx4000 slightly over the mx5000, but both were the closest to our Arcam reference. Needless to say, the Panasonic surprised us all. It easily got us involved, capturing the sprit of the music the best and would say that it is a tough third and so close to the 5000 it scary!!!. The DRZ-9255 was an outstanding performer as well, with nothing to complain about, but nothing "super" about it. The z1 I would have to say, was not a huge disapointment, but I expected more...as well as the cd700...The eclipse was another deck I could just throw in and be happy with...And I would put the Grundig in last place...

:beer:
 
The problem I have is to be "the best" in IASCA (similar to your EMMA), Digital Signal Processing is required. Nearly all the head units we tested would require analog processing. This year, IASCA changed some things, making presets on DSP units required (SPL/SQ/RTA). I'm sure I'll need some time alignment.

There's another unit from Zapco that will be in production in about a month, the "DSP-6SL".
It has:
- 3 digital inputs, and 3pr analog inputs
- 6ch Symbilink output
- It has tens bands of equlization per channel and they are all parametric, adjust the q of the filters per channel and per freq
- The price has not been set yet but the talk is around the price of a Sx-sl. anywhere from 900 to 1200 dollars
- The DSP will come with the in dash controller. You will be able to change the colors of the backlights and it will be about a half din size. It will have a toggle button to scrol throught he menus and four or five presets that you can set to what ever you want. The laptop program is a bit easier to set everything up with because you dont have to scroll through menus.
- About 8" x 8" X 2.365"
- Time correction
- Crossover that can be band pass high pass or low pass. You can adjust the slope from 6 db to 24 db
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I'm thinking of modifying my factory (Clarion) Audi head unit for optical output, then using the Zapco piece. I can keep the analog radio, tape player and navigation by using the analog inputs! :bang:
 
csuflyboy schrieb:
I'm thinking of modifying my factory (Clarion) Audi head unit for optical output, then using the Zapco piece. I can keep the analog radio, tape player and navigation by using the analog inputs! :bang:
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I have similar plans for our BMW changer, which I want to connect to the Alpine PXA. If you need plans or circuits for S/PDIF input/output let me know.

Zapco also announced new amp series with integrated DSP with tons of functions, might be interesting for you.
 
hello matt

nice testing ..

but ..

but it is one thing to hear the head units at home and to hear them in your car ..

if you switch the 9255 from "normal stereo" to active mode (activating equalizer and time aligment) the sound is not as well ..

if you need active crossover and the other features like EQ and TA some units are out of range .. some of your tested units don't have these features as you know ..

best regards
frieder
 
@Frieder-
Right! We noticed that on the Clarion too. Now you see my problem :wall: I would LOVE to have the Alpine F#1, or ODR (RS-D7, RS-P70)...but I think the Zapco piece should perform the way I want, and will look "factory", as it will not be seen. If anyone knows where I could find an ODR setup... :thumbsup:
 
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